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The hope
is that this page can create a forum for discussion, between those who are for
and those against animal rights. We only post mails that are either very positive
or very negative. We
get lots of mail every day and posting them all would be too time consuming.
may I suggest you learn some of the truth behind the best and most efficient dairy industry in the world before displaying such drivel on the web.
Alan Davies (not a dairy farmer)
While I believe that it is wrong to be unnecessarily cruel to animals, what alot of you folks fail to recognize is that a human life is worth an infinite amount more than an animal life. THE LIVES OF EVERY ANIMAL ON THE PLANET COMBINED ARE WORTH LESS THAN THE LIFE OF ONE HUMAN.
If animal testing provided no clue at all as to the effects of a drug on a human being, there would be no animal testing. Some of you mistakenly beleive that scientists take pleasure in hurting animals. This is not the case and I'm sure deep down you realise this. If you love animals and the thought of them being hurt bothers you, then be vegetarians/ vegans but don't try and force your views on other people or you will just get their backs up and people will just switch off when you try and talk to them.
Alot of people, like me, believe that meat animals were put here to be eaten by man and that God put those animals on the earth specifically for that purpose. But I guess the majority of you will be atheists... It is important to remember that only a very very small amount of people actually enjoy being cruel to animals. Please remember this when you feel like you want to be cruel to an innocent human being because one of these sites told you they've not put animal interests before human interests.
I hope this has given you something to think about, although you only seem to show the negative feedback written by people who call you names and who's spelling, grammar and abily to get a point across are sorely lacking so I doubt I'll be seeing my email on your site but thanks for taking the time to read anyway, Have a fantastic day Anonymous Human Lover
After watching crimewatch uk tonight I am
without any doubt that groups you suport and encourage are the animals, I pray
and hope that i bump into one of your demonstrations and wearing masks or not
I would teach you sick fucking bullies what its like to be persecuted, send
me detais please of anyone who supports you, hitler had more respect for humanity
than you do and we got rid of that clown too, it wiill take little to wipe the
earth of sad little cowardly shits like your groups too. get a life you hippy
dropouts.
you guys are the real scum
would just like you to know that your reluctance
to disclose your identity speaks for itself.Terrorists(people who want to terrorise
others for 'any' cause )springs to mind.I'm sure people like you put a cause
into a hat and you lot picked out animals.You're cowards and terrorists and
you really anger me.You pray on people who are conducting research into things
like aspirin you bunch of cowards use !! you only target people who wont fight
back.well let me tell you, you will never win, you are all too messed up in
the head to realise it.As soon as the general public know who you are, i hope
you get the same sort of treatment that poor deceased woman got(someone who
cant defend herself) got.but thats what you lot are about, cowardice.Now its
been publicised how sick you really are, I only hope you sink further into the
cesspit you slunk out of!
As a lover of animals even the so called
lowly farmed ones that are often overlooked I am totally disgusted by the ritual
barbaric practice of halal. (only discovered this a week ago)
How can anyone in the country accept this so called cleansing of the animal
where it is strung up and it's throat cut while prayers are chanted. What kind
of moron would do this mores to the point what are the ALF doing about it?
You save rabbits, foxes and hamsters etc which is very commendable but you allow
monsters to commit crimes against animals for food!
Do the supermarkets sell and condone this brutality? I feel sick this is going
on every day and nothing is being do about it.
Yours,
Mortified..................
How dare you people publicise someone's
telephone number. You are absolutely the lowest of the low. Human life should
but put first. Concentrate your efforts on the millions dying in poverty.
From your website: David Hall and Partners breed albino
guinea pigs for vivisection. They are based at two sites at Darley Oaks Farm,
Newchurch, Nr Burton-on-Trent, Staffs. Tel: 01283 575321.
After reading your article pertaining to
Chipperfields Circus I feel quite strongly that you are highly misinformed and
prejudice and find it typical that you dont have time to enter debate with those
of us that dont share your stance. I worked on Chipperfields Circus in early
1980,s and cared for Meina,Lechamie and Camalla of which you didnt even get
their names right.I loved my elephants and took great care of them spending
practically all of my time with them. I cleaned them several times a day and
provided food and water until they did not want anymore,indicating they were
full.They are majestic creatures and have remained in my thoughts since providing
me with very fond memories.
I was 18 yrs old then and 44now and would trust them
more than any human I have encountered in my lifetime. I was given the opportunity
to make that boat trip with them but reluctantly declined as I was homesick
for my country to which I returned to.Canada will always be my home but I would
never forget my special friends at Chipperfields Circus,expecially my elephants
of whom I know will never forget me. I dont know of the other shows you speak
of but I remember Richard and Ann being addoment concerning the wellbeing and
contentment of the animals there.I also cared for a black panther(mogly),a leopard(lucky),
6 tigers ,2 jaguars a Himolayen black bear (yogi) and 6 polar bears. I can tell
you confidently that I cared for them very well. I am offended that you would
accuse me of not caring about them and for them. They were a positive experience
for me of which I will remember untill I die.
To whom it may concern-
I am a hardcore animal lover and I am all for their rights.
However, I recently visited your website and the gruesome images I saw sickened
me. Please, put a warning label of some kind on the top of the picture page
to say that the images are very gruesome. I almost cried when I saw that cat
hanging from the wire. And I do understand very well that it is what happens.
Thank you very much for your time.
-Anonymous Animal Lover
We did point out that the pictures were
the harsh reality of what really happens and are supposed to shock! (Liberation
Magazine Editor)
dont know where to start in saying how disgusted i am
with the many people that 'support' you people. Your views about things are
totally rediculous. I grew up in a third world country, suffer from various
mental health problems and i think you people need to know a few things. Firstly,
animals like rodents do NOT have a sense of being and the complex brain of a
human, they have basic animal instincts like which make them feed, sleep and
reproduce. They have no part in there brain for feelings. Yes they can feel
pain, but some of the things you say are rediculous. Furthering research into
stem cell research and other medical research will save countless lives and
improve many other lives. If the cost of this is a rodent then im afraid you
need to look at the bigger picture my inbred friends. Animals used for testing
in this day and age already are treated as best they can be, with laws and guidelines
on how they must be treated.
You say the guinae pigs at that farm were eating
there young? Well you truly are stupid indeed. Many rodents eat there young
naturally, have you never had a pet rat,hamster,mouse or guinae pig? Surely
if you love these animals so much you must of had. I have had many rodent pets.
I have seen them have countless litters of offspring and what happens. Do you
think rodents realise the conditions they are living in? No. In the natural
habitats the conditions can be far more extreme. And true anti depressant and
mental health drugs cant be fully tested to see what psychological effects they
may inflict on the human taker, because rodent brains dont have the same brains
as humans. Also, because human minds are so diverse and complicated, it is almost
impossible as EVERY person is different. Did you bunch of inbred folk even go
to school? Do you not have any basic knowledge on anything?
Im sick of people like you thinking you know the slightest thing about anything.
You protest about every damn thing that happens, get a life. I have seen first
hand so many things in my life and then i see some people protesting about this
kind of stuff, including human rights. What the hell gives you the right to
think you understand or know anything? Please tell me? If the life for a rodent
is so important for you, go live with them, take thousands with you and buy
your own little island, but do the majority of this country and the world a
favour and silence your stupid views. Have you ever lost a family member or
friends to a disease that could be cured by some of this research? If you answer
yes but still protest you dont deserve to be human. Knowing there life could
of been saved at such a small cost.
You think animals are 'tortured' to death?
Do you think these companies take them and chain them down and purposely torture
them and take pleasure in doing so? Fuck, you are stupid people. You use terrorism
against people to achieve your views? You msut support terrorism then if you
use these tactics. Oh wait you probably protest against George bush and blair
too right? Well let me tell you one thing and make it clear, YOU DONT UNDERSTAND
THE BIG PICTURE OF ANYTHING THAT IS GOING ON. The think so many people support
you in the general public, when in fact they dont. I really cant understand
your simple mindedness, you need to start thinking outside of the box. The world
is bigger than your hippy gatherings and views about things you cant understand.
You want a war? You want to use terrorism to achieve your goals. Come and pay
me a visit and bring all your supporters. Let me find out where you all live.
Then we will see war my friends. Yes, that is a threat and mark those words,
it is not an idle threat.
Let me give you some advice, go study a bit, get a job because you obviously
dont livei n the real world. Go live in a country that has nothing and understand
what is actually going on. Your lives must be pretty simple indeed. Get off
the benefits you sit at home on and go brave the real world, maybe studying
philosophy might help you to understand some things too.
Burn in hell, or come round and let me burn you and your families.
Hello there
I've read your website with interest. I work in health care, and in the course
of my work have had to treat many patients with awful diseases. Many of them
have been diagnosed with incurable conditions and have ended up reliant on pain
killers and other medicines for symptomatic relief. Others have had to undergo
radical surgery and cytotoxic therapy (e.g. chemo- &/or radiotherapy). The
alternative? To die a painful death, and have a very poor quality of life.
I am sure that there must be some hypocrisy amongst your supporters, surely
they would not refuse an intervention for themselves or their child because
it had been tested on animals? Do you guys never use antibiotics, painkillers,
anaesthetics, etc? Or is it OK when the drug's already in use and it's you that
needs it?
I would also add that homo sapiens is but an animal, and deserves respect too,
even if you don't agree with their actions/lifestyle.
Perhaps you would perceive that doctors, nurses and all others involved in administering
medicines are also fair game for harassment and bullying? I can certainly see
how the argument could be taken to that conclusion, and maybe it's only a matter
of time.
The tone of your website makes me feel very sad, but it does strengthen my resolve
to do the very best I can for my patients, & continue praying that one day
terrible diseases like muscular dystrophy, MS, parkinson's, etc will be more
easily treatable. But maybe I'd be better trying to put an end to the work of
scientists trying to achieve that?!! (Tell that to the young child who watched
his father die before he reached his 4th birthday)
you are the sickest people in the world. you do not have a clue.
Hunt sabs across the UK have been sent
this, he will be reported for threats, bad language and racism and whatever
else the police can do him for.
OK, so those slithering little bastards, Alan Michael
and Blair think they are a week away from victory....if you and they really
believe that you are even more fucking clueless than we all know you are. There
will be foxes killed on the 19th...more than likely more foxes killed than on
any other day. These foxes will not be killed 'within the law' using guns or
two hounds or a fucking Golden Eagle as some useless twat suggested we could
do. These foxes will be killed just as hounds have killed them for 1600 years.
They will be hunted and they will be caught and killed swiftly. If there are
not caught, they will get away, sleep for a day and live another day to be hunted
and potentially killed. They always have been vermin, they always will be vermin
and they will remain to be killed.
How long has the destruction of badgers been illegal?
32 years....and 32 years on, badgers are still being dug and killed for the
peace of mind of land owners. These badgers are dug to and shot on the spot.
Humane. I can't say that the sick fuckers who 'bait' badgers, take their teeth
out, chain them to the ground, break their legs are any lower than cunts like
you, but they are not far off. Are you really that stupid that you can't see
that quick and effective badger culling has been continuous, illegal or not
and you pricks really think that fox hunting will stop? You do? Well wake up
and get with the picture you pathetic mealy-mouthed eco fucking warriors.
Do you think that lads are going to stop running lurchers
to hare or fox? Do you think that lads are going to stop hunting the banks of
rivers for mink with terriers and hounds? Do you think the tracking of a deer
with hounds is going to stop? - Not a fucking chance, not a chance.......
The hunts may 'be seen to be doing the right thing' by
way of carrying guns with then, or splitting down the packs to have two lead
hounds...but, do you really think that after 1600 years of breeding the hounds
are going to wake up next Saturday and suddenly decide they prefer the small
of aniseed to fox? Are they fuck, they are going to put a fox off and we are
going to take great pleasure in catching it.
You fuckers really do make me sick. You all the lowest
form of life on this planet. You have no place here. You walk around with smoking
your josticks or whatever the fuck you do, make little garden ornaments out
of readybrek, plat your beards and drink herbal tea - you wasters.
The vast majority of you scrounge off the tax payers,
you serve absolutely no fucking purpose to the well being of this country, you
are hated by all, respected by no one, and I tell you what, if you ever come
across one of us you are going to get the beating of your lives...
"Oh, so the hunting community are prepared to fight
then.." I hear you cry. "Suppose you would not think twice about hitting
a female protester.." I hear your little brains thinking. Twatting any
of you would give me the greatest pleasure of all. And yes, I would beat the
living daylights out of any single one of you.
To me a woman is a person of untold beauty, not some
crusty fucking student with hair down to her ankles or some pathetic middle
aged bible basher who 'likes to feed the wildlife in her back garden' you are
neither men or woman, you are nothing but cunts.
And, you cunts are going to have to watch your backs.
We will see you at Altcar on Monday and you will get a good fucking hiding then...we
will be in your shadows wherever you and your families go. Well maybe just where
you go, after all there is breeding required to make a family. Who would want
to be linked to you or even create a family with you, let alone FUCK YOU.
I would like to advise you to do something useful with
you lives, but really I can't...there is absolutely no way I see a place on
this planet for brain dead fucking tree huggers like you.....aha, wait I know
where you can go. How about we put you on an island with all the muslims, the
jews, the pakkies and any other cunt who thinks they can take over this green
and pleasant land and blow the lot of you bastards to smither..fucking... reens.
Long Live Hunting
PS, you daft twats...if you opened this email, your PC
is now infected with a virus....you really are the most stupid bunch of fucking
unworthy CUNTS in the world aren't you.....
2. Death
threats...I have just witnessed all the 'great unwashed' can muster up at the
Waterloo Cup (all 200 of you v 10,000 of us). Is one of your 'huggers' shouting
above the tops of the heads of police at us "We will chase you around a
field and then tear you to bits" not tantermount to a death threat? You
silly,silly people. (PS, well done on the big word 'tantermount' bet your mum
had to help you with that one?)...the police do wear microphones...think on.
Think on this while you are at it...6 hares were killed
out of 64 run yesterday (9.3%). Should these silly rules of Tonys' come in,
then legally we can still use the greyhounds to 'flush' the hares down the coursing
run. The real shame is that Tony's new rules state we have to shoot them though,
(to stay within the law)
Let me see now, if Tonys rules were in place yesterday
that would be 64 out of 64 hares killed (100%). You really are more pathetic
than I thought if you were clinging on to the vain hope that you have achieved
something.
Get a fucking wash, job and life.
3. Evening
all....
Please may I make a quick apology for the group email. There are so many of
you Anti hunters across the country and I just don't have time to type 30 different
emails.
I would also like to stress that the 'fruitiness' of
my last email was not the normal language I would use when talking to a resepcted
member of the public, friend, fellow field sports enthusiast, tax payer, worker
etc etc, you can see what I am getting at. The email did have it's desired effect
though and I am pleased with the number of responses I got.
Talking of your replies, so many of you miss-spelt Neanderthal.
I would suggest you contact your guys at the 'league against washing' and get
some spelling lessons in - what do you students do all day? Anyway, next time
you want to email me or one of my fellow hunters, you can just 'copy and paste'
- N e a n d e r t h a l.
Now, I know that a few of you said my last email went
on a bit, and you were right, so please try and read through this one - you
will find it very interesting (and I promise, not a hint of bad language).
I would also just like to quickly apologise to those
of you who have just heard from me (you see, myself and some of your fellow
unwashed are building quite a rapport over the email - I feel a real freindship
blossoming). Hopefully some of you might like to come out hunting with us one
day and see just what you are missing out on.
Yes, yes, I know - I have just spotted the mistake -
how can you come hunting now it has been made 'illegal'. One thing that really
did disappoint me about your responses to various emails over the past few days
is that although I had discussed very valid, factual and fair points, not one
of you argued against them. Not one of you said.."yes but, no but"
- all I got was 'blood thirsty Neanderthal', 'inbred' and 'sikko' - none of
you actually stood up and fought your corner.
I was hoping you might read on for just another minute
or too and then respond to my comments, defending your corners. (when teenagers
are involved in a disagreement or argument and they really have no combating
answer, they either go quite, sulk or reply with something completely unrelated
to said debate).
Sooooo, you think you have saved foxes from being killed
by man - How? How have you helped their cause? Yes, Yes, according to Blair,
hunting mammals with dogs is now banned in England and Wales, but what have
you actually achieved (answers on a post card to my email address).
You see, as we all know, we can still shoot, trap and
poison fox, hare and deer. If we follow the letter of the law and only 'flush'
foxes with hounds (two, I believe Tony said), then practically all foxes flushed
will get shot. This is certain. The thing that is not certain is their deffinate
death. You see, it is not a simple task to stop a fox dead in his tracks when
he is going full steam across a field and all you have is two barrels of a gun.
More will get killed without the true method of hunting, but even more will
get mamed and die a slow death - Well done Tony!
We can still dig foxes with our terriers. Now we will
have to dig more foxes with our terriers. A fox will never get away when taken
from an earth. (Before you start, most earths are in or near the habitats of
ground nesting game birds - we have this covered already). More dead foxes -
Well done Tony!
Hares - well, on Monday at the Waterloo Cup, we coursed
64 hares and 6 were killed - not our intentions, but that is what happens when
you put dog against game. 9.3% kill rate I believe. We can still course hares,
but again, according to Tonys rules, these hares will have to be shot rather
than standing a 90% chance of getting away - 100% kill rate - well done Tony!
Are you getting the point now?
I come back to badger culling - has that law worked?
No.....
Look kids, we all drive over 30 mph in a 30 mph zone.
We all still use our mobiles whilst driving. I know that most of you buy, sell
and smoke pot. We all record videos and swap amoungst friends. We all do things
that are illegal. Reason...these laws are practically un-inforcable, just as
hunting with dogs will be.
Tell me this - how will you feel when your Grannies Poodle
chases a grey squirrel in her back garden and possibly catches it? (I know most
of you are from the cities, but I presume one or two of you have relations in
the country). Are you going to video this and report it to the police? It is
just as wrong as chasing a fox with more than two hounds according to Tony.
Poor old Grannie is going to get fined £5000 being the land owner. Aha,
you all cry, Grannie never intended to catch the squirrel. Doesn't matter, the
fact remains that the Poodle chased and caught the squirrel.
When 270 packs of hounds followed by at least 500,000
field sports enthusiasts 'walk out' with hounds on Saturday and the hounds accidently
chase and possibly kill a fox, it was not intentional - just like old Grannie
- think on.
Nearly there, nearly there....
So, supposing a fox does accidently get chased by more
than two hounds and is caught by said hounds, where is the evidence going to
come from. Beat you to it - Field Monitors, I believe is the name given to us...Opps,
let the cat out of the bag. I said US - very important you see. It was not hard
for some of you to join the CA or the old BFSS and likeswise it was not hard
for some of us to joing 'Hunt CrimeWatch' - great name by the way.
I believe I am one of the lucky few who is going to be
sent my little luminous jacket and second hand video camera (should have been
here with me tomorrow, but due to demand I am going to have to wait a couple
of weeks). Don't worry, all the gear is going straight in the bin, but I just
needed to know what you little scoundrels were getting up to.
So, you will unsuccesfully try and follow us. If you
get close, you are going to stand out like a sore thumb (the clever ones think
buying a tweed jacket might help you, but you will be spotted as an imposter
from a mile away). You will be trespassing on private land and will get ejected.
During 'ejection' and all the cuffufle that you will cause, you cameras will
problably get damaged - not our intention, I can just see it happening when
you struggle.
So, with no evidence of anything untoward happening and
more vermin than ever being killed, I leave the ball in your court (which funnly
enough is where you are going to be spending most of you time for breech of
the peace) to tell me what you have achieved and what benefits you will bring
to animal welfare. Please try and come up with more than;
· F*ck you tosser, we have won
· Neanderthal
· Murder
· Inbred
· Sikko
Bet you can't..
Happy Hunting.
4. You will
have received another 'group email' from me by now, but in answer to this email..
Is little baby getting upset now? Can you only resport to making things up now...ahh,
didums. Have a read of my email and see what you can muster up. PS, caught two
foxes on Tuesday - great day had by all.
re -just read your bullshit press release concerning
Mrs Hudsons
retirement
The Staffordshire Police contacted SNGP this morning
to kindly inform us that May Hudson would be leaving the employ of the guinea
pig killers of Newchurch on January 14th.
Like so many of key their workers, May Hudson has been
a mouthpiece for the abuse industry during the course of her employment - which
has been for millenia! She now has her retirement to reflect on exactly how
much suffering of sentient life she has profitted from and how, if humanly possible,
she intends to make amends for it!
1 Mrs Hudson worked as a house cleaner 2 she worked for
Mrs Hall for only a few years and never saw a Guinea Pig during that time
3 she has not been a mouthpiece for anything other than her own right to live
4 it wont take her long to make amends for the suffering Guinea pigs because
for many years she and her daughter rescued Guinea Pigs that escaped the farm
and gave them long and happy lives far from being
a key worker Mrs Hudsons retirement only means Mrs Hall will have to dust her
own coffee table & pantry shelfs
you people are vermin, you lie constantly because its
the only way you can gain support if you had any conviction in your beliefs
you would refuse medicines that have tested on animals in the same Mormons refuse
blood transplant, if you did that most of you would be dead
AND THE WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE
From: rolyrat@hotmail.com
- On Saturday 4th December 2004.
Dear sir-
I am sure you are aware of the arrest of Mrs Janet Tomlinson of Burton upon
Trent for the involvement of the desecration of a grave of a relation of the
Hall family, of Darley Oaks Farm. In a front page article of a local newspaper,
I read to my suprise that Mrs Tomlinson has had chemotherapy, TESTED ON ANIMALS!
I am sure you can email me back to air your views this shameful hipocrisy.
Faithfully,
Charles Gregory,
Uttoxeter
And she called us unintelligent, just
look at the bad grammar!! (Editor).
hello.i felt compelled to write after accidentally stumbling
upon your website whilst doing a search on google.
firstly, do you actually have any idea about what ACTUALLY goes on in animal
research labs? no, i doubt it. your website is totally ill-informed and ridiculously
emotive. where did you actually get the vivisection pictures from? a 20-year-old
foreign source i guess, as you obviously have no idea as to what research condictions
are actually like in britain nowadays.
i suggest that rather than suggesting to your readers (who i can only assume
are as ill-informed as you) to harrass leading scientists who are carrying out
ground-breaking research into human diseases that can save millions of lives,
you do some research yourself. the ethical issues surrounding animal testing
are so stringent nowadays that it's incredibly difficult to even get a licence
to handle animals, let alone test on them. and as for providing addresses and
numbers for scientists, and then claiming you don't condone 'criminal acts or
harrassment' - yeah right!
and then there's the claim of 'fraudulent science'. well, have you actually
read (and UNDERSTOOD) the papers scientists such as Aziz and Stein have written?
i very much doubt it, judging by your comments on 'experimenting on a variety
of animals to satisfy nothing more than their own curiosity'. i suggest you
learn what's actually being said before you make ridiculous and totally inaccurate
claims.
seeing as the animal rights protestors are up on their high horses for things
they are totally uninformed about, i thought you might appreciate the feedback
from a member of the scientific community who DOES actually know.
i look forward to hearing some more enlightened views from the ignorant idiots
who write this drivel.
To whom it may concern,
I am writing to express my absolute disgust at the incident
of systematic and continued abuse of human beings working at or operating the
Guinea Pig Farm in Yoxall, Staffordshire. Your desecration of the grave of a
loved grandmother is the most despicable and dreadful act. It is beyond redemption
and I am sure the true horror of it will haunt you in later life. You have shown
yourselves to be less than human, and I sincerely hope that something equally
as bad as this befalls you.
You appear to believe that it is acceptable to force
your will on others – it is not. The vast majority of people in the UK
support animal experimentation in the pursuit of medical research, but we want this to be in
a controlled and protected environment ensuring maximum possible care for the
animals themselves to ensure that they are not put under undue distress.
Unfortunately we recognise that there will be some distress
but the trade off in terms of human lives has to come 1st. I speak as a vegetarian
who cares passionately for animals and has pet guinea pigs.
Please stop harassing these people. If you believe that
animal testing is wrong then campaign against cosmetic testing (in other countries
too) and also campaign to ensure more openness on the programmes and to stop
different companies duplicating research ie. better control and regulations
to protect the animals and limit the extent of the tests. This should be done
by lobbying MP’s and government.
From: MTimps@aol.com
- On Wednesday 20th October 2004.
gravediggers! since when did animal rights mean digging
up dead grannies. You are all seriously deranged.
From: HS225@aol.com
- On Monday 18th October 2004.
why dont you sad twats get a life and job for that matter.
persecuting people who are trying to make an honest living like the halls is
easy compared to living in the real world. your all very brave hiding behind
protests and sad little groups holding up placards and singing your soppy songs.
how would any of you like to see a loved one suffer from an incurable illness,
when there is a possibility that a cure may be found. all i can say is i'd like
to meet any of you on a dark night somewhere. get a life.saddo's
Further to the above
From: HS225@aol.com
- On Wednesday 20th October 2004.
Ah,seems like i may have touched a nerve in the NEWCHURCH
(yes i can spell it) harassment society. I never actually accused you of any
acts of vandalism towards that poor old lady's gravestone.i merely suggested
that you could find something better to occupy your time. I think, looking at
your web page, even you lot wouldn't stoop that low as i do believe you do have
some valuable morals left. The point i made is this. ihave been unfortunate
enough to have lost my mum of 49, my gran of 60 (at the time of her death) my
aunt (on my dads side) and a very dear friend whom i grew up with for 17 years
all to one type of incurable cancer or another. it makes me mad as hell that
people like your group cannot seem to see beyond your own little world."yeah
lets go save some guinea pigs, make a name for ourselves, get on telly"
without thinking "hang on, this might actually save someone's loved one
one day." the halls at NEWCHURCH (there i go again, getting it right again)!
are merely just a by product. trying their damnedest to earn a living which
if they don't, someone else will. i just hope that one day, somebody you care
about alot,gets some form of illness that could have been cured. it may stop
to make you think that there is more to life than protesting. enough from me,
i have to go to my proper job now, earn a crust, feed the kids, you know, the
things the people in the real world do daily. xxxxxx
It really helps your cause to be digging up the dead
bodies of old ladies in Staffordshire {see widespread press reporting 9th Oct]
!
From: mf12283@hotmail.com
- On Tuesday 14th September 2004.
Grow up, they are just animals. Where is your head? How
can you people compare chickens to Jews in World War II? I know you people are
incredibly liberal, so aren't you supposed to be sensitive to people's feelings?
How do you think the Jews who read that chicken article feel now? Grow the hell
up and think.
From: BHUDA1945@aol.com
- On Saturday 21st August 2004.
Dear ALF and ALM (Militant wing)
Many people support the work of Animal Charities and organisations such as the
RSPCA, RSPB, antivivisection, etc., etc. I general I support any organisation
that is against cruelty to animals. I do not support unnecessary cruelty such
as that we see in the World.
However, organisations such as the ALF have been "hijacked" by Criminally
Minded indivudals who are quite happy to terrorise, physically harm and destroy
people whether they have NO connection will Lab Ttesting or otherwise. Many
of your so-called supporters whoindulge in violence against people and property
are no better than IRA terrorists or the thuggish gangs who appear at any BNP
rally.
I bet many of those same so-called supporters spend their weekends in Hare Coursing
and Badger Baiting -- what hypocrites. WHAT right do you or anybody else have
in attacking and destroying anybody who the ALF and ALM think are involved in
Lab Testing of animals. They are no better than Child Molesters —
I bet some of the more extreme elements in another Life, would have been the
Camp Guards at camps such as Belsen and Auswchitz.
I deeper at the Inhumanity of Man against Man as well as the Inhumanity of Man
against Animals!
Disgusted of the World
I can understand your disagreementt with the cruelty
to domesticated animals by people, but as a hunter and avid outdoors person
i believe that all poeple should have the choice on whether to hunt or fish
as there ancestors did before them. I myself will not take wildlife that my
family and i will not eat, everything that is brought home is consumed. I do
believe in the humane taking of wildlife by the apppropriate means as dictated
by laws and even though there are times i may take more i will not because we
amy not consume all of it and i do not want it going to waste. So please push
for the enforcement of current laws and this will be benifical to all those
involved
are u those stupid fuckers
that are hurting these poor animals they dont need this or are u the wonderful
people that are tryin to save hes sick and dieng animals ... but like i said
they dont deserve this when im older i am protesting t help save beatin animals
plz leave the poor things alone plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:(
Right people! animal testing
in any way shape or form is wrong totally but the view of some people. ie "animals
are not ours to eat" is a ridiculous statement. Even Jesus ate meat! And
seeing as he is Gods son!? i do believe that God must want us to eat meat! i
mean all the vegetarians that i know are under nourished, un developed and are
very slow growers! So long as the cattle are treated with the highest respect
and are not exposed to other animals being slaughtered, i see no reason to say
that eating meat is cruelty because it is NOT!!! ok?! thank you-dont even try
saying i am wrong. i am right! thank you luv becky
I am writing to let you
know that, in my opinion and the opinions of others, there is nothing wrong
with hunting animals in our USA. It's been something my family and friends have
done for many, many years. Do you realize that if we didn't hunt, alot of these
animals would die from starvation. For instance, the more rooster pheasants
that remain through a winter, take food away from the pheasant hens. That's
their future. This is also a way of conserving our resources. Stop and think
about it. Would you people like to hear of animals starving? I don't think so.
I believe this would be the worst way to die and a slow one at that. My dad
is 71 years old, my brother is 45 and I'm 53. We've hunted together for 40 years
or more. My brother now lives in MO and I intend to join him this fall for deer
hunting there. If you people want to do something constructive in saving our
animals, you should think of a solution to our problem in MN which is coyotes
killing whitetail fawns, grown deer and farmers' livestock. We're trying to
eliminate as many coyotes as we can but they are very difficult to hunt. At
least what we are doing is trying to bring about a balance in nature. I am hoping
you can try to understand what our views are. We're not out to "just kill"
animals. Anyway, I had to let you know how I feel. I'm very softhearted when
it comes to animals and am a female hunter. I can't stand to see animals of
any kind suffer as I feel the same for my fellow humanbeings. Thanks for listening.
Woman Hunter
My father used to hunt
to survive,if he didt he would of starved to death. Nothing i kill is wasted
i eat it all, is that ignorant or antiquated? You spoke about fox hunting, i
have seen two foxes killed myself when a local farmer called the hound pack
in because two foxes were killing his lambs. I was close to the hounds when
they killed the foxes.They died instantly yes they were torn apart but they're
dead when there torn apart you seem to focus on this. If a fox is killing lambs
or chickens it should be killed. You obviously spend a lot of time and money
fighting against hunting, when shouldn't you be spending your time fighting
against poverty and things that actualy matter.
i have lived in the country side all my life and when
i looked at your web site and what was in it. i was shocked to read so many
articles were the people righting them clearly didt have a clue what they were
taking about some of them had deluded ideas about some subjects. This can effect
peoples life's, i way of life can be ruined. All i ask is don't stop what you
don't understand your way of thinking can be ignorant and blinded by your own
self delusion on what you think people do and why they do it.My friends and
i that go shooting, hunting, fishing, understand and love and respect the countryside.
we are ordinary people in ordinary jobs. we see people changing the country
side that dont understand it which is very dangerous for the future of the countryside.
D.BELL
I have taken a look at your web site and can see how
different views can be. I am a avid hunter and fisherman and enjoy doing these
things. On your web site you attack hunters and fisherman. This e-mail is not
to attack your views, but to educate you on why we need hunters and fisherman
and also why people hunt and fish. I truly believe people that do not hunt/fish
do not understand this.
First of all I have been hunting and fishing my whole
life enjoy going out when ever possible. I enjoy going into the woods and going
out on lakes to listen to the different sounds made by nature and different
critters running/flying around This is the biggest reason why I hunt and fish.
Second reason I hunt, is because I am doing my part in
helping keep the population levels of animals at a healthy level. I do not want
to see these animals end up dieing from starvation and disease, because they
are over populated. A animal dieing from starvation and disease takes a lot
more time to die (and in pain the whole time) than a hunter shooting a animal.
As much as you may want to deny it, a human being is a predator and predators,
help keep animal populations healthy and strong.
The third reason I hunt, is because wild game meat is
healthier than any cow/chicken/pork meat bought at the food store. The game
meat is also cheaper to have, than store meat. I also believe that a person
should never harvest a animal unless it is going to be eaten.
The fourth reason I enjoy hunting and fishing is that
I am able to spend time with my father, my kids , other family members and friends.
This is a very special time, when I am able to get together with these people
because we are able to catch up on things and talk and laugh about things that
have happened in the past during these hunting/fishing trips.
I am not expecting this letter is going to change any
views. But at the same time, I would hope that my views are respected and not
attacked. I also hope that people may get a better understanding, why people
hunt/fish and why the world needs hunters and fisherman.
Sincerely,
A proud hunter and fisherman
Hello, My name is Matt Kesl and I am very upset at the
bias and false information which is presented on your website. I want to know
why you choose to offend people which hunt. I can understand if you wish to
not hunt but to criticize those who choose to, that is wrong. I believe that
there are better things for you to figh for such as human rights or the environment.
Wouldn't you agree? I believe that hunting is alright as long as people are
using the meat to eat. Many of my friends are very strong anti hunters and I
get this all the time but I do not understand why you have to make such us look
so bad. We are just participating in a hobby which has been pasted down through
the family, something we enjoy doing while also providing food for our families.
Is that such a crime? Please respond and let me know. Thank you for your time,
I appriciate it. Have a good day. Sincerely, Matt Kesl.
GOD BLESS THE USA, THANK GOD I AM AN AMERICAN
I think you all are full of bunk. First of all, it is
my God-given religious freedom to hunt animals to feed my family. Pick up a
Bible and read Genesis 9:3. You cannot take away my religious rights nor my
constitutional rights. There are sick people out there who do horrible things
to animals, but hunting is NOT one of them. First of all, I eat what I shoot.
I do not hunt to give myself a trophy. I hunt to provide food for my family.
The cost for me to go out and purchase equipment essential to hunt with is far
less than buying ANY food products at my local grocery store, and it is all
natural. Thanks.
From: tks@duo-county.com
- On Sunday February 1st 2004.
3 words, you are sick
Hello there from america. I have just read all of your
propaganda and looked at your pictures. First let me tell you all that I would
never hurt a non game animal on purpose. I will never take any animal that I
dont consume in some way. What I dont understand is why there are organizations
like yours around. It isnt you that raises my family, It isnt you that puts
a roof over my head, It isnt you that puts food on my table anf you also have
no part in clothing myself or my family. I am sure that there are some real
sick people out there that have not one shred of respect for ANYONE or ANYTHING.
These are the people that you should be mad at. Not the normal people. I take
great ofense when people that dont have a clue about me or my beliefs think
they have any right to try to run my life. It seems to me that the British government
doesnt even trust you all with firearms. That tells me that your government
doesnt think you are responsable enough to posess such a dangerous tool. Think
about this, Have you ever been treated by a Doctor--- How do you think they
learned Anatomy??????? How do you think LIFE SAVING drugs and medacines were
developed??????? Animals were put on this great earth to serve mankind. It may
be the Sheep dog that tends the flock.
It may also be the Beef for the dinner table. It can
also be the lowly lab mouse that was bred and raised to help save millions of
Human lives. One of the great sayings that I live by is LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP.
This can meen many things. It can meen look before you jump off a cliff. It
can also meen think before you speak. All I want to say is we all have been
the ability to think and rationalize. WE sure dont need some lopsided thinking
person trying to tell us how to exist when it is evedent that they cant even
manage their own lives. In closing think about the things that people say that
bugs you and you MUST do and what you are saying. I think you will find that
they are onein the same. Scotty Parkes avid hunter and fisherman.
What the hell do animals have the right to. I'll tel
you. If they eat grass the they have the right to be rolled in flour and fried
in butter. If they eat meat then their hide should be worn to keep me warm in
the winter. Leave us alone. We have spent nearly a century conserving game animals
and they seem to be doing better now then ever. Go somewhere else and bug someone
else about your fears and concerns. God made us to be at the top of the food
chain therefore animals are for humane consumption.
Tucker
From: TTBUCFAN@aol.com
- On Monday 29th December 2003.
you all have got to be kidding me. in the bible god made
animals for the human to survive to bad this wasnt the early 1800 you all would
be tooting a different horn. Jesus ate sheep at the last supper. Get a clue
Dear Sirs, no where in your grotesque photo gallery do
you show the importance of the harvesting of animals for healthy dinners on
the table, nor do you understand what the Bible says about giving all the animals
of the earth for us as humans to use. Animals do have rights, but since man
is at the top of the food chain, created in God's image, he has more rights
than all other creatures of the earth. Hunting is not a crime, it is in fact
important to keep animal numbers in check. It reduces overpopulation, which
often leads to disease and habitat destruction. Do we as hunters believe in
humane treatment of animals? Yes we do. Do we practice quick, immediate death
when we take such precious food from the fruits of the earth? Yes we do. Don't
give hunters a bad name for the gross and unruly acts of others.
Sincerely,
A Very Proud Hunter
I disagree with your website and your beliefs about animal
rights. Some animals are wrongly killed, I agree, but some animals, such as
deer, elk, geese, rabbit, squirrel, dove, quail, moose, caribou, pheasant, duck,
wild boar, cows, pigs, fish, ram, pronghorn, gazelle, and every other animal
that is hunted for food our just for profit do not have any rights whatsoever.
Most of these animals listed above are pursued and killed for food and survival
of the hunter himself/herself and the family he/she must support. I have killed
animals for food myself and have eaten every bit of them. You website discusts
me and in my opinion disgraces myself and all other hunters. If you would like,
I could send you a couple of my trophy deer and rabbit and squirrel and fish
for your picture gallery so everybody can see what these animals are being killed
for. I can also send you some of my deer meat if you are interested in trying
some. If you would like to hear more of my exciting hunts and want to know more,
please feel free to e-mail me at kylehuntr3030@aol.com.
From: blockice1@yahoo.com
- On Wednesday 10th December 2003.
DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW ANYTHING OF WHICH YOU SPEAK, OR AS
I SUSPECT ARE YOU LIVING IN SOME CONCRETE ENVIRONMENT SO DISTANT FROM NATURE,
AND YOUR PLACE IN THE ENVIRONMENT AS YOU COULD GET. WHERE SHOULD I START WITH
THE B.S. YOU ARE TRYING TO PROMOTE? THE ISSUE OF THE DECLARATION OF RIGHTS I
MEAN WOW A HUMAN BEING DOESN'T'T EVEN HAVE THAT MUCH SPELLED OUT FOR THEM, THEN
COMES THE FACT THAT MOST OF THAT WOULD GIVE A DOG THE SAME RIGHTS AS HUMAN BEING.
SO YOU THINK THAT A STARVED WOLF SHOULD HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS TO LIFE AS MY 10
YEAR OLD SON THEREBY SAYING IT'S OKAY FOR HIM TO ATTACK MY YOUNG BOY WHILE HE
PLAYS IN THE YARD, AND IF THAT OCCURS SHOULD THE WOLF GET A TRIAL TOO. WELL
I AM SORRY TO INFORM YOU BUT OUT HERE WHERE COMMON SENSE RULES THE WOLF RESPECTS
MAN BECAUSE HE WILL BE SHOT IF HE BECOMES A THREAT WITH OUT FAN FAIR OR EVEN
MUCH ADO. THE ISSUE OF EATING GAME CAUSING HEALTH RISKS DUE TO SATURATED FATS.
DO YOU PEOPLE EVEN DO RESEARCH INTO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. FROM ONE WHO HAS BEEN
HUNTING FOR OVER 25YEARS I CAN SAY WITHOUT RESERVATION THAT THE BEST AND LEANEST
MEAT I'VE HAD WAS GIVEN TO ME BY MOTHER NATURE NOT BY SAM THE GROCER. THAT WOULD
BE DUE TO THE DIFFERENCE IN LIFESTYLE OF COMMERCIALLY PRODUCED MEAT VERSUS A
WILD ANIMAL. THE ENCROACHMENT OF YOUR FANCY HOMES AND SHOPPING MALLS IS QUICKLY
DOING AWAY WITH KEY PREDATORS SO MAN BECOMES THE ONLY ONE LEFT THIS MAKES IT
MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER TO TAKE YOUR ROLE IN THE GREAT CIRCLE OF LIFE. IF YOU
DOUBT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO HAVE A PREDATOR ASK THE PENN. DEPT OF CONSERVATION
WHO FOUND THAT A HUNTING BAN ON DEER WOULD AND DID QUICKLY LEAD TO OVERPOPULATION
CREATING DANGEROUS SITUATIONS FOR MAN AND ANIMAL ALIKE. LEST WE ALSO NOT FORGET
THE LESSONS LEARNED IN CALIFORNIA WITH THE WILD COUGAR POPULATION WHEN PROTECTED
SO THERE POPULATION GREW AND THEIR FEAR OF MAN SUBSIDED TO A POINT THAT THEY
ARE NOT ONLY READILY SEEN BUT ALSO HAVE NO QUALMS OF MAKING A PASSERBY INTO
THE MAIN COURSE FOR LUNCH. NOW I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT I THINK GOD PUT NOAH
IN CHARGE OF THE ARK AND ADAM IN CHARGE OF THE GARDEN FOR A REASON AND IF YOU
CAN'T SEE IT THEN DON'T DEIGN TO BE SO INTELLIGENT AS TO TRY TO EXPLAIN IT TO
OTHERS.
eat shit you no good peace of shits im going to hunt
til the day i die and will teach my kids to hunt so get over it everythings
dies if i help o well. animals dont have rights the only right they have is
to die.
not your friend
the hunter
Dear Sirs,
While I agree with you that "cruelty" to animals is wrong, I feel
that eating animals is all part of God's design for us humans to survive. God
himself slew animals in the Garden of Eden to cover Adam & Eve with their
skins. God himself demanded that animals be sacrificed to atone for the sins
of men in the old testament. Jesus ate fish while he was on earth. God told
Peter to "Go ye therefore and slay and eat." God gave us dominion
over the animals not to abuse but for our survival. I fell since God created
the animals and He says its ok then that's good enough for me.
Thank you,
Mark Beougher
Your quotations are self serving. I can quote no less
an authority than the Bible to bolster my position on the hunting and eating
of meat. Does your logic also refute the known history of mankind as well as
the nature of our human teeth and stomachs. We were designed to consume and
derive nutrition from the flesh of animals. We don't have multiple stomachs,
like cows or crops, like birds, to help digest a diet of grasses. Imagine how
the world would be overrun with insects if they didn't feed all the birds and
lizards. How the mice and rats would overwhelm all if there were no snakes owls
or hawks to feed on them. Perhaps the cows would strip the green planet brown
had we not become their prime predator.
Marc Albertario
From: Driverfrom84@aol.com
- On Thursday 18th September 2003.
i think hunting is not a crime if ther was no hunting
the deer in n/a would get over pop and die they would run out of food and be
in towns all over roads cusing recks and pepal killed so hunters help in ways
u pepale dont know about so check all the facts be for u point at any one doing
rong sen roy lynch missouri
You people make me want
to puke with all your anti animal eating. You say people like me (hunters/farmers)
treat animals cruely. Hey, I am all for the humane treatment of animals, but
you guys go way overboard. I have never intentionally made an animal suffer
and I have butchered/hunted many. Anyway, it says in the Bible that animals
were put on earth for people to USE, not worship and put them before people.
I think you people are crazy and should try to buy some common sense or something.
I think I will write you a letter every week just to keep in touch and maybe
even send you some pictures of some of the trophies I shot while hunting.
you know it has been proving
how PETA and other AR groups has lie touch picture and facts to proving there
points. it was reported on the early 90's that PETA is used pictures that was
made in the 70's witch show animals that was tested for drugs and was burned
alive to proved that the drugs work. how they proving it was the company that
they was showing was out of business and went out in 1978 because of PETA's
pictures. its just like the steel traps pictures you see all of the time that
the AR groups used to proving the traps are, missed used. they trapped a live
animals in it and left it there for over a week and saying it was some human
trappers did that.
i think we should used animals for testing, we should not make them suffer to
much but we should used them for testing. we should not test animal that was
done already and we know the results. let me tell you something if my kid was
sick and a drug was being used on him that was not testing to make sure that
it wont harmed him because of your compands, i think you should get sue instead
of the drug companies and i am sure you have a lot of blood on your hands. that
why i think a lot of drugs used today even don't work or harm people because
they are not test good enough because of you people who protest when a mice
dies from there drugs. hay i rather have a rat die instead of my kid and so
will you. if it was your kid you being ready to sue them and its you fault that
it was not tested. you can take your phony picture and cry over your milk i
will not believe it and if it will save one humans life and kill hundred monkeys
so be it, the truth is you will do the same.
We didn't
bother to reply to this one! Well how can you attempt to argue with such intelligence?
(Editor)
hey fuckface ill kick your
mother fuckin ass I could kick your ass with two broken arms and two broken
legs you mother fuckin HIPPY ya you so go fuck a godamn tree you dumb some bitch
Ill kick the bark and shit out of ya you fuck so many godamn trees and fuck
ya i would rather be a kick ass redneck than a tree huggin hippy so fuck of
you dipshit!!!!!!!!! thats not a threat its a mother fuckin promise. so FUCK
YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DUMB ASS
To whom it may concern,
I am a Life member of the
NAHC, North American Hunting Club, I am an environmentalist and yet understand
that having the right to keep and bear arms allows my to harvest, organic, sustainable,
game that I donate to Hunters for the Hungary. The game in particular, white-tail
deer, have become a significant problem in the Northern Kentucky/Cincinatti
area, so much that of the thirty-six people I work with there have been four
accidents and one death as result from impacts with deer in the past 9 months.
Proper population control can only be obtained through hunting and firearms are the most effective
source of control. All animals I hunt are harvested in the most humane way possible,
I assure you that, as are animals of the hunters I know. I do oppose the ruthless
slaughter of testing animals and the humane treatment of pets, animals and wildlife.
The photos on your site disgust me and I condone this type of treatment to animals. Just as I would expect for myself I so extend that courtesy
to animals even to the deer that was hit by a passing car two weeks ago in front
of me. With lungs punctured by broken ribs I helped to relieve her agony of
pain. Even the Lord called for sacrifices. Be a steward to the land and it will
provide.
Kevin Saylor, student Northern
Kentucky Univ. Life Member NAHC Member
Not all hunting involves
killing.All the males in my family have coon hunted for a while now(including
me).We ue English coon hounds to hunt.we hunt all year long here in Tennessee.Olny
about 5 mounths out of the year is kill season.In one year we might kill(at
the most) 10 coons.A few years ago alot of the coons in our area got some kind
of disease and alot died out ,killing other species with them.If there is no
one to hunt them they get ill,over populate,or kill more than enough of other
species.So don't sit back lying about the brutality of hunters or of our advatages
over the game.I'm 14 yrs old and even if huntin becomes a crime nobody will
stop me.I'll hunt as long as i'm alive.Now if some thing happens to the game
like their on the verge of extinction I see no problem with the gov saying no
hunting these animals.As long as i have good dogs to hunt with i will hunt,and
i will kill.So stop your whinning.
I am amazed at the blind
arrogance of you people. You all take the moral high-ground looking down on
everyone else for their cruel abuse of animals. Don’t you realise you are
just as bad. Let me explain.
I believe all life on this
planet is equal. ALL LIFE. Not just people and cows and dogs and cats and monkeys,
but all life from bacteria to blue whales. There is no justifiable way of saying
that any one form of life is better or worse or more worthy of existence than
any other. As humans, we are not special, we like to think we are. We all like
to think we are gods special little creatures, but we are not.
There is nothing we do
that is any more special than any other animal. We all blindly follow the same
instincts and drives as any other animal. It just so happens that our own evolutionary
adaptation has been to have large brains and a consciousness, but this does
not make us better than any other organism. These are just the things we have
evolved in order to survive. So, all life is equal. On the basis of this assumption
I don’t believe that its any more cruel to eat a cow than it is to eat
a carrot. I know that may sound laughable but its just being consistent with
the view that all life is equal. There's nothing about a cow that makes it any
more worthy of life than a carrot. "What about pain". Well yes, I'm
sure cows feel pain in a way probably not too dissimilar to the way we feel
it. But you have to try and step outside your human ego for a second and realise
that whilst we know we feel pain, we also define what the word 'pain' means,
like we define what the word 'intelligence' means. Who is to say that when you
cut down a tree of dig up a plant that the chemical signals that are severed
couldn’t result in something that could be described as pain, since pain
is merely the subjective experience which tells us we have been damaged in some
way?
So the pain argument doesn’t
stand up for me. "Well why not just eat each other then", you might
argue. Well, indeed, that might solve many environmental and population problems,
but I don’t think that is the answer. The reason why it is 'wrong' to eat
each other is for the same reason most other species don’t eat each other.
It really comes down to survival. It’s a case of "I wont eat you if
you wont eat me". This is the only true basis for all morality, and is
why we agree not to just kill each other every time we disagree or want something
from each other. Its about minimising the threat to your own existence, since
in nature there are enough things to be worried about without wondering whether
the guy sat next to you is going to tuck into your right arm.
The basic problem I have
with the whole animal rights movement is that it seems so selective. Its like
some animals are worthy of saving (primarily the cute fluffy ones which stir
up the conscience) whilst the less human like ones don’t get a look in.
I don’t see any picture of flies, or worms, or snakes being experimented
on, but it happens. It seems that there's some sort of scale that creatures
are placed on, and the more 'human' they are the more respect they get, and
as they get less human, respect turns to contempt and hatred, until plants are
barely considered alive. What gives you the right to do this? Who do you all
think you are? God? Its about time you all got your heads out of your arses
and realised that like the earth is not at the centre of the universe, we are
not at the centre of this planet, and its about time there was some equality
and equal respect for ALL living things, including the planet itself.
Animal rights serves the egos of those who preach it and ruthlessly exploits
the suffering of animals as a tool to gain power and respect.
Read replies
to this mail here
I don't have much to say
because responding to your ludicrous claims would do no good in educating you,
nor would I like to be pasted on your received e-mails board about my failure
to meet your "intelligence" factor. I wouldn't like to be labeled
a murderer or some other horrible name that you would conceive for me simply
because I strongly disagree with your views especially with those views that
promote violent crimes.
All I have to say is that
In a perfect world without hunger or disease or any other sort of plague that
threatens this earth, we could all live a peaceful co-existent life where everyone
is happy and playful and joyous and all those great things, unfortunately we
live in a world where disease is uncontrollable and famine is rampant, perhaps
to you the sacrifice of even one animal for the betterment of the human race
is inconceivable but to NORMAL human beings with NORMAL understanding of reality,
this is just the way it is. In nature, the weak are hunted by the strong so
that the strong may thrive and live. It may be hard to compare the two but in
sense is it is the same. We use the weaker animals' sacrifice of life in order
to better our own. Perhaps you should give up any sort of thing that was ever
made with any kind of animal byproduct, then we'll see how strongly you stick
to your convictions.
Dave
From:
hstaggs@fuse.net - On Thursday November
7th 2002
I tend to agree with
the staff of this page that hunting animals for sport is cruel. I might even
go as far as to agree that slaughtering animals for our food is inhumane and
rather disgusting. In fact a trip to the slaughterhouse might put an end to
meat eating for a lot of people.
I can't agree that animal
testing should be stopped however. Without animal testing medical progression
would be greatly slowed down. For the well-being of the people who inhabit our
planet, animal testing must continue. Perhaps it should be done in a way less
catastrophic to the animals, but the sad truth is that death is in some circumstances
an unavoidable result.
I am uncomfortable with
the thoughts some of your pictures bring to mind. I hope that animals aren't
being used simply as play toys for sick men. I hope that (for example) the monkeys
that look as though they have been stretched , have been put in this position
for a reason other than to see how far a body can be stretched. I would like
to think that medical testing is being done to advance the things that are truly
needed. For example to find drugs to combat AIDS, or to isolate the genes that
are the cause of certain cancers.
If the laboratories
are being used for other purposes (and I am not ignorant enough to believe otherwise)
laws need to be put in place to limit testing to only the truly beneficial tests.
I hope I am not offending anyone to greatly in writing this.
I love animals, but
I also love human beings.
Holly
Hello my name if Tiffany,
I'd like to say that your web site is not true. For one thing, scientists would
not be that cruel and your giving them all a bad name! All your pictures are
thaken from other things and taken long ago. Thoughs pictures are fake and the
government would not allow such cruelty! This is impossible. With out animal
testing.....My grandfather wouldn't be alive! I'm not saying go ahead and test
and kill animals, I'm saying that theres a 1% chance that they would test products
on Dogs, Cats, Monkeys, Birds, ect. It doesn't matter if they test on mice or
rats (your probably againest that too) but they wouldn't leave animals there
torn apart, bleeding to death, tumers stuck in their heads, and other junk.
Animals are quit safe in thoughs facilitys and are treated like they have their
own owners! Let me tell you a story. When I was a little girl, my grandpa had
a heart attack and was soooo close to dying, I wouldn't live with him. He was
given all these medications that were tested on animals (rats and mice) too
see if they really work, and they did. My Grandfather is still alive today and
workin very hard to keep it that way!.... On the other hand my great uncle died
because he had a heart attack and was given medications that WEREN'T tested
on animals and he died a day before Easter. I'm very glad they have testings
on animals, because none of my relitives would be living today with out it.
I say that you are not true and think about what you have done to make people
think that they distory animal's lives like this. Write Back Tiffany
Further
to the above mail, Tiffany also sent this
I'M SO PISSED @ YOU
RIGHT NOW! THIS ISN'T FAIR TO THESE ANIMALS! YOUR THE ONE MISLED!!!! YOUR THE
ONE TOTALLY WRONG YOUR THE ONE YOU NEED TO GET A DANG LIFE!!!!!!!! THESE ANIMALS
SAVED MY GRANDFATHERS LIFE YOU UNGRATFUL PERSON! YOU DON'T CARE THAT MY GRANDFATHER
TOOK MADICATION TESTED ON ANIMALS AND IT SAVED A PERSONS LIFE?!?!?!? MY GREAT
UNCLE JUST DIED BECAUSE HIS MEDICATION WASN'T TESTED ON ANIMAL! AND THEY DON'T
TREAT ANIMALS LIKE CRAP IN THOSE LABORTORIES! YOUR A SICKO TO SHOW THOUGHS SICK
PICTURES!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE UNGRATFUL, DISGUSTING AND IT MAKES ME CRY TO SEE PEOPLE
FAKE THESE PICTURES AND MAKE PEOPLE BELIEVE THEY DO THIS! I SWEAR.....YOU ARE
A NASTY PERSON TO DO THIS! Write Back
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From:
Chantel Harper
- On Monday 15th April 2002
I think
you are very sick to put fake pictures on the internet! You either have a private
lab where you do sick animal experiments or you take pictures from a long time
ago. Real scientist would not do such experiments. They make sure that the animals
have the best conditions as possible. Monkeys are only used1% of the time, yet
you include them the most. WHY! Rats where used to discover more about the immune
system. Dogs where used to discover more abpout the cardiovascular system. Cures
for cancer and AIDS can and will be discoverd through research with animals.
I ope you will think abput the wrongs you have done. You are a sick, sick, man.
I just don't see real
scientist doing these things! Ihave done much research, and some labs even do
teststo find better pain killers! I think that animal testing, where you "pull
apart" the animal just to seewhat happens is cruel, but I think that realscientists
would never do such a thing. We are tryingand will find cures to cancer and
AIDS through animalRESEARCH. This is exceptable. Not injecting achemical to
see what happens. Sorry for the mix up Chantel
The computers and cell
modles do not work as well!
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I recently sent you
an e-mail as a journalist student seeking information. What is the score? I
have finals coming up, and need quotes, nobody replies. Is this a mickey mouse
organisation, or does anybody there have the balls to answer a few questions?
Give me a break and reply to my mail or else i am going to get the hump.
Joe Chalmers
BA (Hons) Journalism
Staffordshire University
Hello,
It seems to me that there is a lot of hypocrisy among animal rights activists.
On the one hand people don't want to see animals suffer for human gains, yet
even most vegetarians don't abstain from taking advantage of medical science
when they get ill. If your going to take the position that animal experimentation
is wrong, that's fine, but be prepared to see it through.
If you get ill don't
do anything about it. All you can do is let nature take its course (and perhaps
use herbal remedies, acupuncture, etc). I have yet to meet a vegetarian or vegan
who would let themselves of their child die of Cancer based on their beliefs,
yet they will go on for hours about how 'wrong' it is to experiment on animals
( or take the position that cancer is a disease of lifestyle and their kids
wont get it because they are not contaminated). Isn't that hypocrisy?
Everyone seems militant
and angry and ready for action when it comes to being the hero, and liberating
animals, but how many are prepared to give their own lives or their children's
lives for their belief? nowhere near as many, I'm sure.
hello i am a student
at imperial college london, i was reading your site and was absolutley disgusted
by this section
"If we are trespassing,
so were the soldiers who broke down the gates of Hitler's death camps; If we
are thieves, so were the members of the Underground Railroad who freed the slaves
of the South; And if we are vandals, so were those who destroyed forever the
gas chambers of Buchanwald and Auschwitz."
I couldn't believe it.
how dare you compare yourselves with soldiers uncovering the mass slaughter
of human beings in the second world war. when basically you are just terrorising
innocent people (define innocent, certainly not those taking precious life for
monetary gain - Ed.). i dont care where they work they are innocent people!!!
i'm all for peaceful
protests, but not the violent threatening protests which most animal rights
groups seem to enjoy encourageing! the animla rights groups can say all they
want that its the uncontrollable ones that cause all the trouble but in the
end it is the group which stirred up the protest which has to take responsibilty
for its members!
We
left all the grammatical errors in, just to show you all that these idiots are
uneducated through and through!!
I apologise for not
having contacted you earlier, I have been rather busy, with my vivisectonal
activities, career total: 29 monkeys, 57 rabbits, countless rats, 12 dogs, 18
cats, and one rather rare bengal tiger that seemed to enjoy his arthritis, we
also employed some wonderful and novel colonic irrigation techniques, using
a customised power washer....followed by an arse wiping with a sand blaster...as
it is dangerous to get close to wipe a tiger's arse....
love
Johnny
RSPCA vivisectonist of the year 2001
I live in the newchurch
area, and as far as I can see your "activists are doing more harm than
good. You may well be aggravating the Hall family but you are also aggravating
the people in the local area, ie setting off fire crackers in the middle of
the night (some of us have proper jobs to get up for in the morning) also causing
our dog to run away for two days. -causing the police to close off local roads
-Having the police waste there time by making sure you lot don't do anything
more ridiculous than ever And if you really do think that you love animals then
please stay out of the country side whilst the foot and mouth epidemic still
remains or I might have to set up my own "little Protest about you protesting"
By the way I don't mean
for this email to be rude, I don't agree with the guinea pig farm as much as
I don't agree with your methods, Oh and before you wonder, I am a big animal
lover I have been vegetarian for 10 years now!!! hope you take these thoughts
into consideration
The
following mail is proof that the majority of those who call themselves 'The
Aristocracy" are nothing but uneducated morons who participate in antiquated
'sports' that murder animals.
dear ignorant individual
upon reading your useless
site i have noted poartiqularly your most uvattractive and vivid hatred of the
so called upper classes It is my opinion and many others that your ignorance
combined with your unsatisfactory contempt for them means you have a chip on
your shoulder only rather in your case it is a chip factory i find such oponions
to totally unresearched perhaps you might at least meet a "TOFF" before
telling the unfortunate person that thet they are evil also i find your comments
regarding the so called "PUPPETS of ARISTOCRACY" to be most undue
and insultindgf to such people who are all decent and for more likely to have
a gcse than a members of your institution or others similar to it. you really
aRE A WANKER. HUNTING IS NOT AT ALL AS YOU HAVE DESCRIBED IT kindly resaearch
this before launching unfair and undue attacks on its participants
Your ignorance is best
described as your dfistinguishing feature ps if you atack me when i am out huntig
i should happy to charge at you or any such equally unplaesant being
From:
ceb15@le.ac.uk
- On Friday February 16th 2001
Although
i am fully aware of your feelings concerning vivisection, i am unable to understand
how you can condone breaking the law as part of your campaign. Surely, if enough
people feel strongly against animal testing and it is considered to no longer
be neccessary and beneficial, legislation would be drawn up in line with these
views (as was with fox hunting). I in no way condone unneccessary suffering
to animals, but i am aware of and in agreement with the reasons for animal testing.
You
condemn the suffering of innocent animals, but what about the suffering of millions
of people affected by debilitating and terminal illnesses? Do you dismiss their
suffering? Many people seem blissfully unaware of the benefits and breakthroughs
made in animal medicine as well as in human medicine (such as the cannine distemper
vaccine and the feline leukemia vaccine).
I
do not agree with the use of animals for cosmetic testing, but surely the benefits
to the quality of life of humans and animals, through vivisection can not be
ignored! Would you really put yourself forward for medical research? If so,
you are in a minority. Without the use of vivisection (at least until suitable
replacements have been found) medical research would suffer considerably and
advances in medicine would surely be crippled.
C. Bardsley
you liberal hippies
disgust me. i do not believe animals should be mangled and gnarled like they
are in the pictures you have on ur website, but to take away animal testing
is wrong. animals were made under us, we are supposed to use them for our advance
in life. animals do not have souls unlike us, which alone takes away their equality
to humans. im sorry but i dont see how a stupid little monkey can be equal to
a 6'5 260 lb. human who is obviously superior to a dumb little animal. and all
you people who believe believe what that shit for brains darwin came up with,
may God have pity on ur brainwashed and pathetic souls. if u write back with
a good explanation on ur viewpoint, i will be fair and say nothing else but
i cant stand the way u treat animals just as if they were human.
From:
luciah@home.com - On Sunday February
11th 2001
I heard about some people
setting dogs "free" in a dog show, thinking they were doing good.
Well, you're wrong. The big dogs terrorized, and injured the little dogs, and
some got run over on the nearby highway! You think that every animal in a cage
is being tortured, but they're not. They only stay in those cages for about
an hour or so at a time, and when they're not, they're having fun meeting other
dogs! My family has 2 English Setters, that we show in dog shows, and they are
treated perfectly well.
Not all dogs in dog
shows are unhappy. Our dogs live a luxurious life at home, eating proper meals,
having a comfortable shelter, access to a back yard to do their business, and
daily trips to a leash-free dog park, to excersize, and interact with other
dogs. Just because every other month they get groomed up, and go to a dog show,
doesn't mean we "torture" them. They like the shows! They like meeting
dogs, and the extra attention, of other owners! They enjoy doing a little run
around a ring, because they get a nice doggie treat, afterwards!Nobody shows
dogs, that aren't dog lovers, and not one of those dogs in the shows don't love
their owner/handler.
apparently
you people do not realize that some of these people who hunt, do it for food,
and if they do not kill a deer, or a hog, or catch some fish, they may not have
dinner on the table. I myself hunt and fish, and it is something that i enjoy
doing. However, there are many hunters who are very unethical about it, and
hunt irresponsibly, often while drunk, and these are the people who give hunters
the bad rap. Hunting is something that i was raised doing, would you rather
me and other young men spend their time selling drugs? Or out getting in trouble?
Please
unless you have been raised hunting or fishing do not give it a bad rap, you
just havent realized that for some people it is what keeps them alive. For instance
in Alaska, which i recently took a trip to, seal hunting is what makes small
villages their profit. That is profit to feed their children, to buy clothes
and necessary supplies to survive the nearly year round cold.
Subject: vivisection
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 13:00:14 -0800 (PST)
You people are truly
pathetic.....mindless morons who are threatening the UK's pre-eminent position
in the
Pharmaceutical industry.
Your stance on HLS has
been nothing short of disgraceful...yes fox hunting is an unacceptable blood
sport...but animal experimentation for the purpose of drug discovery is essential
for the future development
of safe and effective cures for a variety of diseases......and don't even think
of patronising me with your rubbish....I am a Medical Scientist and know that
"vivisection" is essential for the purpose of drug development.....
Your profile of a pro-vivisectionist
was quite frankly amusing......
YOU SHOULD & WILL
BE STOPPED !!!!!!!!
I agree with him Human
survival of diseases is more important than the well being of animals If it
is necessary to kill some animals in the testing of pharmaceutical drugs then
so be it However i agree with you that testing make-up on animals is wrong because
that is purely for aesthetic purposes, but my point is human lives are more
valubale than those of animals
Dear Stop
Huntingdon Animal Cruelty, I suffer from multiple sclerosis (MS) and am
also a vegetarian. I am a lay-person
but I am extremely well-informed about research into MS (and some other autoimmune
and neurological conditions) both from the point of view of research into the
pathology, epidemiology and natural history and into potential and existing
treatments.
I have found this out
because I have this f***** disease and want to know exactly what it is that
I have. The most effective drugs to treat MS have come from an animal model
of MS known as EAE (Experimental Autoimmune Encephalomyelitis). EAE is induced
in genetically susceptible animals (the vast majority of which are mice and
rats) with myelin proteins from other animals (almost exclusively rodents).
This induces the rodents' immune system to attack itself in a manner so extremely
like MS that it can be successfully used to study the pathology, natural history
and efficacy of proposed treatments. EAE has already given us beta interferon
and glatiramer acetate (GA). Both these drugs reduce the frequency, duration
and severity of attacks by around 37% in the relapsing-remitting phase of the
disease. New studies (on people) have shown that they reduce the rate of progression
of MS by about one third in the secondary-progessive phase of the disease. Glatiramer
acetate is a particularly interesting case because it is a completely synthetic
substance that was injected into EAE mice almost by chance (in Israel).
Without EAE there would
be no GA. GA is a new drug - it is better than beta interferon because it has
a very benign side-effect profile. Beta interferon has quite severe side-effects.
It is a measure of how horrible a disease MS is, that we are prepared to take
beta interferon and chemotherapeutic drugs which only slow down the disease
and do not cure it. Other treatments such as altered peptide ligands, T-cell
vaccination, antibody therapies and stem cell treatments are already showing
great promise. Without EAE they would simply not exist. Let's not beat around
the bush about this - the cure for MS, if it is to be found, WILL come from
animal models. This is a complex disease quite unlike adrenoleukodystrophy (of
Lorenzo's oil fame) and will not, in my opinion by solved by dietary regimes.
Micro- and macro-biological techniques can be used to test toxicity, but they
are hopelessly inadequate to provide the initial research that is needed. This
has to be done in-vivo. No one, except the NAZIs, would countance in-vivo experiments
on humans.
The immune system is
very complex. It is poorly understood, but the rate of progress has been fast
since the discovery of DNA and cytokines and better understanding of the microbiology
of leukocyte (white blood cell) faunas and many other microscopic molecules
and cells. MS affects 85,000 people in the UK and about 2.5 million people worldwide.
Typically, it first stikes in the twenties. Some of the symptoms are blindness,
incontinence, pain, impotence, numbness, paralysis, memory and other cognitive
dysfunction, difficulty swallowing, respiratory and cardiac dysfunction. These
are just some of the symptoms - there are many others. It is a slow degeneration.
You wouldn't wish it on your worst enemy. There are many autoimmune diseases
other than MS - rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, type 1 diabetes, ulcerative colitis
are just a few. Most are debilitating. Many can be fatal.
There are millions of
people in the world who suffer from autoimmune diseases. Animal models are the
best, I believe the only, chance of conquering these diseases. Other diseases
also benefit from animal models, including HIV (triple drug therapies came out
of animal models), most cancers, ischemic strokes, Altheimer's disease, Parkinson's
disease, epilepsy and motor neuron disease (what Stephen Hawking has). I am
no lover of pharmaceutical companies - they are simply out to make money and
often act in less than moral ways to achieve that end. We can probably agree
also that animals have no place in pesticide, cosmetic and general toxicity
testing. I deplore the use of great apes for anything other than breeding and
reintroduction programs. I also tend to agree that research into primates is
wrong - these are highly intelligent and endangered species, but they are not
used significantly for disease research because they are expensive and slow
to breed. The same goes for cats and dogs which, in any case, are no more similar
to us immunologically than rodents are.
However, I cannot agree
with you about using rodents in disease research. Though many mice and rats
die in labaratories, many, many more are seen as vermin and routinely poisoned
or killed in traps every day - neither of which is humane. The rodent death
toll in labs is simply trivial by comparison. How can you weigh up the good
versus the bad so simply and easily? This is plainly not a black and white issue.
Who are you to state categorically that the suffering that people with diseases
does not merit the use of rodents for research? Surely this is something that
should be decided democratically. I would appreciate a reasoned reply. Regards,
Paul
u mutha fuckers r animal
killers. ur actions harm more animals than u protect. lets let out some animals
who cant survive in da wild and lets save we "liberated them"........very
good. 24hrs l8ta dere all dead and u think u achieved something. u people r
sick. Man evolved faster than all other races and we gotta use that power to
protect our futures animals just ain't dat important........ (we particularly
like the educated argument of this mail, and it's inventive address- ed.!)
Please
feel free to reply to any of these mails, we're sure they would love an intelligent
discourse.